The Stranger: A Month of Sundays

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Mark Driscoll sounds familiar. I was just going to ask if he was the pastor of the church Don Miller attends, but then I remember, no, Don Miller lives in Portland, not Seattle. Oops. :)

I have to say, the guy who went to Mars Hill annoyed me. Talk about going in with a closed mind. Of course you're going to be able to find things to support your already-formed beliefs. I suspect his comments about Driscoll talking about men, blah, blah, were taken WAY out of context. Why is it that people always grossly misinterpret the Bible's position of men being the heads of the households? Either some Christian men (like my uncle) seize upon it as a way to essentially force their wives into servitude, or, at the other end of the spectrum, people like this "journalist" think that God is sexist, anti-woman, etc., etc. Whatever.

The type of church I go to -- and am drawn to -- is characterized as a "seeker church" and is part of the Willow Creek Association. There are a lot of Christians (like my uncle) who frown upon churches like that. He actually said churches should not bother making themeselves enticing for non-believers. Whatever.

Anyway, really interesting article. I just wish those "journalists" had actually studied journalism and therefore approached their assignment with an open mind -- or at least listed the positive along with the negative.

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This is a really interesting post.

Let's face it. Church is weird. People sing to something they can't see, talk about things that are completely oppposite from what everything outside church tells them, and then people go out and many of them live contrary to everything they profess on Sunday mornings. No wonder so many of the "reporters" went in with "I am going to find this absurd, irrational, mockable, and a waste of my time" attitudes. Not that I'm justifying it, but it's impossible to understand what goes on in a place of worship when you aren't a part of the religion itself. Before I became a Christian, I was uncomfortable any time I went to church, especially if there were overt displays of faith. I just didn't get it. But then one day it all made sense and my life changed. Now I'm one of the weird ones.

Still, it would have been nice to have seen just a little bit if journalistic integrity. Starting the article, I couldn't help thinking "I am going to find this absurd, irrational, mockable, and a waste of my time." Lo and behold I did.

Mark Driscoll is the head pastor at Mars Hill church (which is quite large) in Seattle. And I am sad to say that Mark actually is the ass the the reporter went to see. Mark has done lots of things well, he is great at challenging people and telling things like they are. BUT he is a complementarian (when it comes to gender roles) and he has some very skewed views about what roles women should play (you would never find a female pastor up front). Also, he is just a fairly arrogant ass in general: if you disagree with anything he says he essentially writes you off (and he has lots of groupies that follow him around...). Now I am painting a somewhat overly harsh (well maybe not overly) picture, he really does have lots of good theology and good things to say (which is one of the reasons his church has been thriving), but those good things are tainted by his bad.

That being said, YES, the "reporter" who went to Mars Hill was just a jerk who wanted to see the show that he had heard about and know exactly what she wanted to see and would not see anything different.

"people like this "journalist" think that God is sexist, anti-woman, etc." And unfortunately Mark didn't help. Although even if he had, the journalist wouldn't have listened anyway.

"Anyway, really interesting article. I just wish those "journalists" had actually studied journalism and therefore approached their assignment with an open mind -- or at least listed the positive along with the negative." EXACTLY! Isn't that what journalism is supposed to be?
Haha, you are totally right! Church is weird. And that is why people have to actually be seeking in order to find any meaning, otherwise they won't ever be able to actually sit down and find any meaning.

"it's impossible to understand what goes on in a place of worship when you aren't a part of the religion itself." Indeed. This is why it is so important for those who are seeking to go with someone they are comfortable with to explain all the oddities. A former professor used the analogy of a hockey game: If I go to a hockey game and have no idea what is going on, I would NEVER expect the players or the coach to stop and explain everything that goes on, I would expect my friend next to me to fill me in. Yes pastors are there to explain what the church is all about, but during a church service they cannot be expected to be talking to everyone like they are completely new, it would be impossible to grow deeper in faith if they did that every Sunday.

"Starting the article, I couldn't help thinking "I am going to find this absurd, irrational, mockable, and a waste of my time." Lo and behold I did." Haha, indeed!
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I didn't enjoy the article at all, despite a few interesting bits. Some of the writers fairly reeked of the smug dismissiveness. These people weren't journalists. The article didn't say that they were. It would have been nice if they were, though. Maybe we could have learned less about the writers and more about the churches they were visiting.

Church is a new experience for me. My wife and I started attending Green Lake UMC just last year, and nearly every Sunday has some novelty that must be explained to me. My faith in God is nearly the same as it was before I started attending. It's not a loud brassy affair with an old man on a throne waving an American flag, but I do have a quiet sort of faith in God. My faith in humanity, on the other hand, has gone up tremendously since meeting these folks and spending time with people who do something with their time other than mocking everyone and complaining about their lack of friends. It's nice to know people who have faith in something. Now I can be a little less embarrassed about my theory that the universe is basically a good place to be in.
Brian I think you said exactly what I felt: "the writers fairly reeked of the smug dismissiveness." That was exactly it, they were incredibly smug about what they had to say, as if they were saying "see, I knew I was right, I saw exactly what I expected."

"My faith in humanity, on the other hand, has gone up tremendously since meeting these folks and spending time with people who do something with their time other than mocking everyone and complaining about their lack of friends." I think that is a great by-product of attending a decent church! I hope that the examples of faith there continue to encourage you to deepen yours!

And I agree, the universe is not too shabby after all! ;)

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